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		<title>By: Marc C</title>
		<link>http://politics.ohio.com/2008/11/18/recall-or-recall/comment-page-1/#comment-7097</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 05:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First DP then AA</description>
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		<title>By: Ben Keeler</title>
		<link>http://politics.ohio.com/2008/11/18/recall-or-recall/comment-page-1/#comment-7018</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Keeler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed, I understand it would be very difficult for a Republican to win.  I am saying that if the opportunity is there, one should run.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed, I understand it would be very difficult for a Republican to win.  I am saying that if the opportunity is there, one should run.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Esposito</title>
		<link>http://politics.ohio.com/2008/11/18/recall-or-recall/comment-page-1/#comment-7005</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Esposito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 02:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah Ben, my brother in arms...these are really not the times to even think a Republican would stand a chance of finding even a special place in hell when it comes to big city Ohio.

Voinovich never won Cleveland as a Republican...he won because he was George. At one time the GOP at least held a respectable showing in Ohio cities but not even the &#039;burbs are for sure these days; no more in Canton, anyone remember when Columbus was a GOP lock and Cincinnati was a spot of blue in a sea of red? Ohio&#039;s big 8 is now solid blue...even in an environment such as Cuyahoga County, where the locals couldn&#039;t have paid for more negative publicity for the home party as FBI agents hauling stuff out of houses bigger than salaries should pay for did the GOP make any inroads. 

This is what the desert looks like when you&#039;re on the outs, my Republican friends. If there would be any chance of a real recall (and I personally don&#039;t think there is; when push comes to shove Akron won&#039;t shove Plusquellic out just because they don&#039;t like his occasional outbursts) it certainly won&#039;t be a Republican to fill those shoes. Those days have long come and gone, fled to the suburbs where even now Democrats have no trouble lining up organizations to help work on behalf of their candidates.

Start from scratch: learn from Axelrod, pick the good out of Rovian strategy, listen to what Carville and Begala say and for goodness sake avoid candidates who think they don&#039;t have to work hard or can simply talk their way to the win. This is the opportunity the NSR-types should be working for: a chance to prove they can do it differently and still win. It just won&#039;t be in a major city for a long time...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah Ben, my brother in arms&#8230;these are really not the times to even think a Republican would stand a chance of finding even a special place in hell when it comes to big city Ohio.</p>
<p>Voinovich never won Cleveland as a Republican&#8230;he won because he was George. At one time the GOP at least held a respectable showing in Ohio cities but not even the &#039;burbs are for sure these days; no more in Canton, anyone remember when Columbus was a GOP lock and Cincinnati was a spot of blue in a sea of red? Ohio&#039;s big 8 is now solid blue&#8230;even in an environment such as Cuyahoga County, where the locals couldn&#039;t have paid for more negative publicity for the home party as FBI agents hauling stuff out of houses bigger than salaries should pay for did the GOP make any inroads. </p>
<p>This is what the desert looks like when you&#039;re on the outs, my Republican friends. If there would be any chance of a real recall (and I personally don&#039;t think there is; when push comes to shove Akron won&#039;t shove Plusquellic out just because they don&#039;t like his occasional outbursts) it certainly won&#039;t be a Republican to fill those shoes. Those days have long come and gone, fled to the suburbs where even now Democrats have no trouble lining up organizations to help work on behalf of their candidates.</p>
<p>Start from scratch: learn from Axelrod, pick the good out of Rovian strategy, listen to what Carville and Begala say and for goodness sake avoid candidates who think they don&#039;t have to work hard or can simply talk their way to the win. This is the opportunity the NSR-types should be working for: a chance to prove they can do it differently and still win. It just won&#039;t be in a major city for a long time&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://politics.ohio.com/2008/11/18/recall-or-recall/comment-page-1/#comment-7004</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 02:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t you just love the maturity that Alex shows?</description>
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		<title>By: Alex H</title>
		<link>http://politics.ohio.com/2008/11/18/recall-or-recall/comment-page-1/#comment-6996</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey moron you cant compare that disrrict - only one in Cuyahoga Co. and one that is majority black to Summit County.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey moron you cant compare that disrrict &#8211; only one in Cuyahoga Co. and one that is majority black to Summit County.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy-V</title>
		<link>http://politics.ohio.com/2008/11/18/recall-or-recall/comment-page-1/#comment-6992</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimmy-V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From what I&#039;ve seen when visiting Ohio cities like Dayton, Toledo, Youngstown and Canton that are comparable with Akron, it seems like Akron has done a much better job of reinventing itself over the last 20 years (i.e. the end of our manufacturing strength and death of out Rubber City distinction) and weathering the economic storm.  It seems all the more impressive when I think about how Akron lost two major corporate tire company headquarters in the late 80s.  Akron also seems healthier than Cleveland, one of Ohio&#039;s three major cities.  From what I&#039;ve read I also believe Akron has the lowest crime rate among Ohio&#039;s large cities.  I&#039;m not saying the Don deserves all the credit (the University of Akron, Dr. Proenza, Summit County Port Authority, Goodyear, Gojo, Infocision, Summa, and countless other business leaders and local politicians deserve credit).  However, I am saying Akron is in better shape than its Ohio sister cities and some of that credit should go to the Don.  Also, as a side note, it seems most good Mayors (e.g. Daly, Giuliani, Bloomberg) have personalities that rub people the wrong way.  However, the flip side of that coin is their stubborn full steam ahead personalities also help get things done.  With the bad also comes the good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From what I&#039;ve seen when visiting Ohio cities like Dayton, Toledo, Youngstown and Canton that are comparable with Akron, it seems like Akron has done a much better job of reinventing itself over the last 20 years (i.e. the end of our manufacturing strength and death of out Rubber City distinction) and weathering the economic storm.  It seems all the more impressive when I think about how Akron lost two major corporate tire company headquarters in the late 80s.  Akron also seems healthier than Cleveland, one of Ohio&#039;s three major cities.  From what I&#039;ve read I also believe Akron has the lowest crime rate among Ohio&#039;s large cities.  I&#039;m not saying the Don deserves all the credit (the University of Akron, Dr. Proenza, Summit County Port Authority, Goodyear, Gojo, Infocision, Summa, and countless other business leaders and local politicians deserve credit).  However, I am saying Akron is in better shape than its Ohio sister cities and some of that credit should go to the Don.  Also, as a side note, it seems most good Mayors (e.g. Daly, Giuliani, Bloomberg) have personalities that rub people the wrong way.  However, the flip side of that coin is their stubborn full steam ahead personalities also help get things done.  With the bad also comes the good.</p>
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		<title>By: Those Evil New Cuyahoga Republicans</title>
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		<dc:creator>Those Evil New Cuyahoga Republicans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keeler,  I guess the New summit Republicans are going to move up and try and take over the Cuyahoga County Republican Party because they ALLOWED THIS DEMOCRAT TO RUN UNOPPOSED!!!OOOOOOOOOOH!!!!!!! 



Ohio Democrat unopposed in special House election 
Published on Tuesday Nov 18, 2008 

An Ohio Democrat elected earlier this month to succeed the late U.S. Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones has also won a special congressional election in Cleveland to fill the final weeks of Tubbs Jones&#039; unexpired term.

Warrensville Heights Mayor Marcia Fudge, a former aide to Tubbs Jones, was unopposed in Tuesday&#039;s election. She had won the full term on Nov. 4.

Entering the House early will give Fudge a seniority edge over the other newly elected members taking office in January. Fudge expects to take the oath of office at 1 p.m. Wednesday on the House floor.

The 58-year-old Tubbs Jones died Aug. 20 after suffering a brain hemorrhage caused by a ruptured aneurysm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keeler,  I guess the New summit Republicans are going to move up and try and take over the Cuyahoga County Republican Party because they ALLOWED THIS DEMOCRAT TO RUN UNOPPOSED!!!OOOOOOOOOOH!!!!!!! </p>
<p>Ohio Democrat unopposed in special House election<br />
Published on Tuesday Nov 18, 2008 </p>
<p>An Ohio Democrat elected earlier this month to succeed the late U.S. Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones has also won a special congressional election in Cleveland to fill the final weeks of Tubbs Jones&#039; unexpired term.</p>
<p>Warrensville Heights Mayor Marcia Fudge, a former aide to Tubbs Jones, was unopposed in Tuesday&#039;s election. She had won the full term on Nov. 4.</p>
<p>Entering the House early will give Fudge a seniority edge over the other newly elected members taking office in January. Fudge expects to take the oath of office at 1 p.m. Wednesday on the House floor.</p>
<p>The 58-year-old Tubbs Jones died Aug. 20 after suffering a brain hemorrhage caused by a ruptured aneurysm.</p>
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		<title>By: say what</title>
		<link>http://politics.ohio.com/2008/11/18/recall-or-recall/comment-page-1/#comment-6987</link>
		<dc:creator>say what</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 04:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fred,

id call $800 million in debt with little to show for it malfeasance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fred,</p>
<p>id call $800 million in debt with little to show for it malfeasance.</p>
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		<title>By: fred</title>
		<link>http://politics.ohio.com/2008/11/18/recall-or-recall/comment-page-1/#comment-6986</link>
		<dc:creator>fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 03:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This strikes ma as a farce that is a waste of time and money.
A recall should be reserved for major incompetance or significant malfeasance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This strikes ma as a farce that is a waste of time and money.<br />
A recall should be reserved for major incompetance or significant malfeasance.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://politics.ohio.com/2008/11/18/recall-or-recall/comment-page-1/#comment-6985</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 03:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No the last good Republican Mayor in Akron was Ballard, not Roy Ray. I think Ray lives outside of Akron which says how much he really loves this city, remember when Ray&#039;s wife who is not a registered Republican called all the PC&#039;s for Alex? Speaking of Roy Ray I look at him as Alex&#039;s first political failure. Basically when Alex became chair of the party I believe in 1978, Ballard handed over Akron to Ray in 1979 with his blessing and endorsement and no help from Alex. Then in 1983 a little known State Representative named Tom Sawyer and a fresh DUI conviction that Alex sat on ran for mayor and won. Why Alex sat on the DUI conviction, don&#039;t know but alot of people know Alex you live a hidden lifestyle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No the last good Republican Mayor in Akron was Ballard, not Roy Ray. I think Ray lives outside of Akron which says how much he really loves this city, remember when Ray&#039;s wife who is not a registered Republican called all the PC&#039;s for Alex? Speaking of Roy Ray I look at him as Alex&#039;s first political failure. Basically when Alex became chair of the party I believe in 1978, Ballard handed over Akron to Ray in 1979 with his blessing and endorsement and no help from Alex. Then in 1983 a little known State Representative named Tom Sawyer and a fresh DUI conviction that Alex sat on ran for mayor and won. Why Alex sat on the DUI conviction, don&#039;t know but alot of people know Alex you live a hidden lifestyle.</p>
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		<title>By: DemocraticRepublicans</title>
		<link>http://politics.ohio.com/2008/11/18/recall-or-recall/comment-page-1/#comment-6984</link>
		<dc:creator>DemocraticRepublicans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 01:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look Folks--Alias Alex,

We have established:

1) you are an idiot, failure, and useful idiot to the Democrats.

2) If you hadnt been under the Democrats&#039; control, Joe Finley could have won if you had strategically sent out a letter urging Akron&#039;s miniscule Republicans to vote for Finley, thus helping to eliminate Plusquellic for good.

3) No legitimate Republican Party exists in Summit County. The empty shell here cant raise money, doesnt elect candidates, and has no ideology--what is the purpose of this rump?

Big Al is no longer my Pal! Im joining the NSRs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look Folks&#8211;Alias Alex,</p>
<p>We have established:</p>
<p>1) you are an idiot, failure, and useful idiot to the Democrats.</p>
<p>2) If you hadnt been under the Democrats&#039; control, Joe Finley could have won if you had strategically sent out a letter urging Akron&#039;s miniscule Republicans to vote for Finley, thus helping to eliminate Plusquellic for good.</p>
<p>3) No legitimate Republican Party exists in Summit County. The empty shell here cant raise money, doesnt elect candidates, and has no ideology&#8211;what is the purpose of this rump?</p>
<p>Big Al is no longer my Pal! Im joining the NSRs.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I lived in Akron I;d vote him out</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I lived in Akron I;d vote him out</p>
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		<title>By: Look Folks, I'm Just Asking....</title>
		<link>http://politics.ohio.com/2008/11/18/recall-or-recall/comment-page-1/#comment-6982</link>
		<dc:creator>Look Folks, I'm Just Asking....</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Jesus Christ was a Republican he would never win in the city of Akron!

Besides Keeler and True Republicandouche, WHAT REPUBLICAN ARE YOU GOING TO GET TO RUN IN A 70% DEMOCRATIC INDEX CITY?????????????


ALL THIS TALK IS MEANINGLESS UNLESS YOU GET A REPUBLICAN TO RUN!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Jesus Christ was a Republican he would never win in the city of Akron!</p>
<p>Besides Keeler and True Republicandouche, WHAT REPUBLICAN ARE YOU GOING TO GET TO RUN IN A 70% DEMOCRATIC INDEX CITY?????????????</p>
<p>ALL THIS TALK IS MEANINGLESS UNLESS YOU GET A REPUBLICAN TO RUN!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Look Folks, I'm Just Asking....</title>
		<link>http://politics.ohio.com/2008/11/18/recall-or-recall/comment-page-1/#comment-6981</link>
		<dc:creator>Look Folks, I'm Just Asking....</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shouldn&#039;t a &quot;special place in hell&quot; be reserved for those who cheat on and then surreptitiously dump their spouses for a woman almost 30 years younger, after their spouses nurse them back from heart attacks??????
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I mean to me that is much more morally decrepit then to oppose some misguided &quot;scholarship&quot; scheme.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shouldn&#039;t a &#034;special place in hell&#034; be reserved for those who cheat on and then surreptitiously dump their spouses for a woman almost 30 years younger, after their spouses nurse them back from heart attacks??????<br />
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<p>I mean to me that is much more morally decrepit then to oppose some misguided &#034;scholarship&#034; scheme&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: True Republican</title>
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		<dc:creator>True Republican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The last good mayor in Akron was a Republican, Roy Ray.  Alex had little to do with it.  And, quite frankly, after Finley weakened Plusquelic a good candidate may have taken him out.

But alas, Arshinkoff couldn&#039;t, or wouldn&#039;t, find a good candidate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The last good mayor in Akron was a Republican, Roy Ray.  Alex had little to do with it.  And, quite frankly, after Finley weakened Plusquelic a good candidate may have taken him out.</p>
<p>But alas, Arshinkoff couldn&#039;t, or wouldn&#039;t, find a good candidate.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Keeler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Keeler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:47:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex H, good 2nd point on the signatures.  Some people simply wont be able to sign it even though they will want to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex H, good 2nd point on the signatures.  Some people simply wont be able to sign it even though they will want to.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Keeler</title>
		<link>http://politics.ohio.com/2008/11/18/recall-or-recall/comment-page-1/#comment-6976</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Keeler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clueless, I dont think it would be easy for a Republican to win Mayor of Akron.  It could be done under the right circumstances with the right candidate.  It would be really uphill.  Wasnt really the point of the post.

&quot;Arshinkoff was criticized for striking a deal that would leave the county offices unchallenged. Greg Bachman would still be engineer if not for the NSR exposing the deal, but I guess they got what they want&quot;

Bachman lost by 10%.  He lost because it was a bad year, he didnt think he could lose, and he didnt really campaign until it was too late.  You cant just throw up a bunch of green &quot;Keep Bachman&quot; signs around the county and expect it will be enough.  Bachman was forced to buy ads on cable TV at the end - with his own money.

My life wont be affected because a Democrat is the engineer.  Nor will most people.  I do feel bad for the people who are losing good jobs there....I know a couple of them.  I voted for Bachman. But I dont think there should be any &quot;deals&quot; where people go unopposed in either party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clueless, I dont think it would be easy for a Republican to win Mayor of Akron.  It could be done under the right circumstances with the right candidate.  It would be really uphill.  Wasnt really the point of the post.</p>
<p>&#034;Arshinkoff was criticized for striking a deal that would leave the county offices unchallenged. Greg Bachman would still be engineer if not for the NSR exposing the deal, but I guess they got what they want&#034;</p>
<p>Bachman lost by 10%.  He lost because it was a bad year, he didnt think he could lose, and he didnt really campaign until it was too late.  You cant just throw up a bunch of green &#034;Keep Bachman&#034; signs around the county and expect it will be enough.  Bachman was forced to buy ads on cable TV at the end &#8211; with his own money.</p>
<p>My life wont be affected because a Democrat is the engineer.  Nor will most people.  I do feel bad for the people who are losing good jobs there&#8230;.I know a couple of them.  I voted for Bachman. But I dont think there should be any &#034;deals&#034; where people go unopposed in either party.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh and they&#039;ll get the signatures - - but many people in the city who will want to sign wont be able to because if they&#039;re name is found on the recall petetion, watch out</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh and they&#039;ll get the signatures &#8211; - but many people in the city who will want to sign wont be able to because if they&#039;re name is found on the recall petetion, watch out</p>
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		<title>By: Alex H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was about Plusuellic not Arshinkoff, Clueless.  You are the one who keeps dragging him up.  You are probably happy with the status quo because you probably have a job that needs protected by the party.

Remember George Voinovich?  he was a Republican and mayor of Cleveland.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was about Plusuellic not Arshinkoff, Clueless.  You are the one who keeps dragging him up.  You are probably happy with the status quo because you probably have a job that needs protected by the party.</p>
<p>Remember George Voinovich?  he was a Republican and mayor of Cleveland.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://politics.ohio.com/2008/11/18/recall-or-recall/comment-page-1/#comment-6968</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://politics.ohio.com/?p=3480#comment-6968</guid>
		<description>The title to your name says it all &quot;Clueless&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The title to your name says it all &#034;Clueless&#034;.</p>
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