I'm surprised you asked me that question, it's really clear what has been happening to those who have not "gotten over" it.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1219572110730&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

I didn't write that I believe everyone thinks Biden is great. I wrote that I have met people who are very pleased with him. I've also read plenty of people who agree that there are problems with Biden.

Does that surprise anyone? It doesn't surprise me. I was only writing my experience and observations in the 48 hours (then, 24 hours) since the announcement.

Are you thinking that there really are no people who like this choice? I don't understand what I'm reading as your protests.

The most telling thing is there are county chairs out there telling people rather than not voting to vote third party.

If McCain picks a woman? Things could change dramatically as to how some feel. We'll find out on Friday what he does.

I just returned from an Obama House party here in Toledo, every single person there had questions about Biden. Not one of them felt he was the right choice.

Not all of them were former Clinton supporters…

So I guess for some strange reason, I must be reading posts and running into people who feel differently.

http://www.obamathecommie.com

I understand the disappointment of Hillary supporters….if the tables were reversed….I would have been disappointed with a Hillary nomination. However, I would not, for one nanosecond, consider voting for an anti-choice, anti-worker, anti-family, neo-con like McCain. If the nomination had gone the other way in the Democratic primaries, I not only would have voted for Hillary….I would have encouraged others to do likewise.

So….are Democratic "Hillary" women going to make the election about the country….or about themselves?

Just asking.

But another dimension that I haven't seen yet discussed here or elsewhere has to do with the wives: What does a female pick for VP look like next to a vibrant and capable woman like Michelle Obama? How will any even minimally competent woman as McCain's choice make not only McCain look but Cindy McCain? Those are image problems for the 100 million+ people in the voting population.

If I believed that holding on to the disappointment and belief in the correctness of HRC being the nominee would actually impact future actions by other individuals who do not share that same level of those emotions would actually make a difference somewhere down the road, I wouldn't be so sold on feeling positive now about the ticket.

But I do not foresee that position as being one that actually helps women, or this country.

Obama himself made gaffes related to sexism as did his campaign. But the real offenders aren't the ones who will suffer if that position isn't held by HRC or a different woman in this cycle.

We suffer – our elders and our kids. And in exchange for what?

The number of programs that work to life women and help them lift themselves far outnumbers the groups that have formed to motivate people with spite. IMO, rightly so and hopefully with more successes (Stephanie Howse who just replaced Fannie Lewis in Cleveland City Council did WHP Go Run among other experiences).

The media and the perceptions of people watching and listening to the media is what needs to be impacted – withholding or switching a vote because of perceived wrongs against women by the media won't affect the media one iota. It only affects us.

Nor is he comparable to Clinton on a great many issues, like his NARAL rating as just one example, he's 60% – hers was 100%. Then many women found his behavior during the Anita Hill time period less than stellar…

A few of the comments I've come across:

I too am underwhelmed, and getting increasingly disappointed with Obama each day.

Oh wow, an old white centrist dude who's a six-term Senator with race, gender, civil rights, and honesty problems. I am overcome with the Hope and Change.

This is proof positive that Obama does not now, nor did he ever, give a damn about women and the challenges we face. In fact, it's a slap in the face, if you ask me. Biden is a HORRIBLE choice for women. Absolutely horrible.

All of the Change rhetoric and build-up to pick Biden. Don't get me wrong, I think he was the best bet (since he was never going to pick Hillary) but he is still an uninspiring choice.

We're sure Biden's 200 voters are simply thrilled. The rest of us, well, just call us marginalized and invisible.

Biden is clearly Obama's version of Dick Cheney.

I could go on, there are hundreds…

I really don't believe that. I believe anyone who voted for Hillary who won't be okay with Biden may very well fall into that segment that never votes when their candidate doesn't get the nod on the ticket at all.

If anything, Biden possesses the very things that made Clinton a possible pick in many people's minds.

If people weren't going to be satisfied unless it was HRC, then that's the issue. I can't imagine anyone satisfying them enough otherwise.

But- that's my sense.

I know you can't see Sarah Palin, but wouldn't the choice of a woman running mate now be just as much of a grand slam as you think Lieverman would be? In that vein of thought, what woman is left that would create such excitement? HILLARY!

Of course, I hope that wouldn't happen and it's very, very unlikely, but heck, as long as McCain is considering a Democrat why not her?

It's been interesting seeing the reaction from some of the blogs on this, in the 100 or so I looked at this morning, I've yet to see one state picking Biden made them decide that they could vote for Obama now. Either they were already for Obama no matter who he selected or picking Biden confirmed they couldn't support Obama…

I should have stuck with my original feeling that Obama would never pick Clinton, but I thought she'd at least be vetted. When AP reported it wasn't Bayh or Kaine? I thought OMG…he is going to pick Clinton.

The focus on Biden's lobbyist connections and his son being one is already starting…It's going to be interesting to see who McCain picks and what impact that has though I'd be shocked if he picks a woman and even if he did? It could very well be seen as trying to pander to voters. Unless he picks Clinton (lol).