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		<title>By: The Reverend</title>
		<link>http://politics.ohio.com/2008/08/22/strickland-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-4749</link>
		<dc:creator>The Reverend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 15:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for responding, mike. I don&#039;t have an ax that I&#039;m grinding over this specific issue of sick days.

Your answer suggests business wants to give pay raises and if the state mandates benefits....they just won&#039;t be able to... leads me to the fact that in the last 30 years....there has been no increase in wages (adjusting for inflation).

Of course, that is not meant to belittle good companies, and there are many, who actually treat their employees well.

The biggest problem I have in the business/labor argument is the constant default mechanism used stating that business can&#039;t be competitive if the minimum wage is increased....if health care is provided, if sick days are mandated, etc.

If that argument is actually true....then my penny per hour exaggeration is not so exaggerated. It&#039;s that &quot;race to the bottom&quot; thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for responding, mike. I don&#039;t have an ax that I&#039;m grinding over this specific issue of sick days.</p>
<p>Your answer suggests business wants to give pay raises and if the state mandates benefits&#8230;.they just won&#039;t be able to&#8230; leads me to the fact that in the last 30 years&#8230;.there has been no increase in wages (adjusting for inflation).</p>
<p>Of course, that is not meant to belittle good companies, and there are many, who actually treat their employees well.</p>
<p>The biggest problem I have in the business/labor argument is the constant default mechanism used stating that business can&#039;t be competitive if the minimum wage is increased&#8230;.if health care is provided, if sick days are mandated, etc.</p>
<p>If that argument is actually true&#8230;.then my penny per hour exaggeration is not so exaggerated. It&#039;s that &#034;race to the bottom&#034; thing.</p>
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		<title>By: mike d</title>
		<link>http://politics.ohio.com/2008/08/22/strickland-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-4721</link>
		<dc:creator>mike d</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 17:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rev - no, that clearly wouldn&#039;t be better because no talent would ever take those jobs. businesses build major offices in big expensive cities with high pay grades because they can attract top talent there.

requiring sick days like this would only inhibit ohio businesses from being able to offer the pay and vacation packages needed to try and retain talent in ohio. if you end up with more underutilized non-salary/pay expense (like required sick days), it makes it very difficult to offer appealing pay.

look at what one of the most successful businesses in ne ohio, progressive insurance, does. they offer great starting vacation packages and very competitive pay because they keep all vacation and sick days in one combined pool to be used at their employee&#039;s discretion. this allows them to offer better pay and better overall benefits. not to mention, it is better for corporate culture because there is no incentive to &quot;fake&quot; being sick because you are out of vacation leave but have 6 unused sick days sitting in your &quot;bank&quot;.

in states like california where sick leave is mandated, there is a hurtful incentive to try and use one&#039;s sick days because if you don&#039;t use them you essentially lose them. it is much better to have 15 days off to use at the employee&#039;s discretion than 10 days off and 7 sick days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rev &#8211; no, that clearly wouldn&#039;t be better because no talent would ever take those jobs. businesses build major offices in big expensive cities with high pay grades because they can attract top talent there.</p>
<p>requiring sick days like this would only inhibit ohio businesses from being able to offer the pay and vacation packages needed to try and retain talent in ohio. if you end up with more underutilized non-salary/pay expense (like required sick days), it makes it very difficult to offer appealing pay.</p>
<p>look at what one of the most successful businesses in ne ohio, progressive insurance, does. they offer great starting vacation packages and very competitive pay because they keep all vacation and sick days in one combined pool to be used at their employee&#039;s discretion. this allows them to offer better pay and better overall benefits. not to mention, it is better for corporate culture because there is no incentive to &#034;fake&#034; being sick because you are out of vacation leave but have 6 unused sick days sitting in your &#034;bank&#034;.</p>
<p>in states like california where sick leave is mandated, there is a hurtful incentive to try and use one&#039;s sick days because if you don&#039;t use them you essentially lose them. it is much better to have 15 days off to use at the employee&#039;s discretion than 10 days off and 7 sick days.</p>
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		<title>By: The Reverend</title>
		<link>http://politics.ohio.com/2008/08/22/strickland-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-4701</link>
		<dc:creator>The Reverend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 13:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a question for all the brainy economists out there.

When employees receive pay raises...isn&#039;t that a &quot;job killer&quot; for business?

When employees receive any non-cash benefits from their employers....isn&#039;t that a &quot;job killer&quot; for business?

Wouldn&#039;t it be better for, you know, business....if employees worked for, say, a penny per hour?

And if employees worked for a penny an hour....would that help &quot;turn Ohio business around&quot;? Do you think Ohio businesses could do better and stay, you know, competitive, if all their employees worked for a penny an hour?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a question for all the brainy economists out there.</p>
<p>When employees receive pay raises&#8230;isn&#039;t that a &#034;job killer&#034; for business?</p>
<p>When employees receive any non-cash benefits from their employers&#8230;.isn&#039;t that a &#034;job killer&#034; for business?</p>
<p>Wouldn&#039;t it be better for, you know, business&#8230;.if employees worked for, say, a penny per hour?</p>
<p>And if employees worked for a penny an hour&#8230;.would that help &#034;turn Ohio business around&#034;? Do you think Ohio businesses could do better and stay, you know, competitive, if all their employees worked for a penny an hour?</p>
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		<title>By: Joe M</title>
		<link>http://politics.ohio.com/2008/08/22/strickland-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-4692</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 02:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JOE BIDEN</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JOE BIDEN</p>
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		<title>By: anne</title>
		<link>http://politics.ohio.com/2008/08/22/strickland-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-4688</link>
		<dc:creator>anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 00:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hope this was not some political ploy by Strickland, because
this legislation was bad for the economy and especially small business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hope this was not some political ploy by Strickland, because<br />
this legislation was bad for the economy and especially small business.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Keeler</title>
		<link>http://politics.ohio.com/2008/08/22/strickland-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-4686</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Keeler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 22:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evan Bayh?  That is what unreliable sources tell me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evan Bayh?  That is what unreliable sources tell me.</p>
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		<title>By: clueless in cincity</title>
		<link>http://politics.ohio.com/2008/08/22/strickland-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-4685</link>
		<dc:creator>clueless in cincity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 20:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is entirely my point!  It is not surprising he came out against it.  Nobody but the unions and the beacon editorial board are for it.  Every other editorial board and every business development, business organization,  and business owner, have loudly protested what impact this law would have on the state economy.

it would be impossible for  strickland  to say he was working to improve our economy while supporting such an anti-business  development issue.

his attempts at a compromise   were grossly half-hearted.


in addition, watch for the pro hillary factions to attempt a coup at the convention based on  the latest poll results.

dems enjoy a  20 point advantage over repubs.  and  their candidate is either tied or down to McCain...any dem who  says he is not concerned is lying.

And the polls do not  reflect the 10 point  evaporation that occurs. 

McCain wins and it will not even be close,  but dems are going to sweep everything  else out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is entirely my point!  It is not surprising he came out against it.  Nobody but the unions and the beacon editorial board are for it.  Every other editorial board and every business development, business organization,  and business owner, have loudly protested what impact this law would have on the state economy.</p>
<p>it would be impossible for  strickland  to say he was working to improve our economy while supporting such an anti-business  development issue.</p>
<p>his attempts at a compromise   were grossly half-hearted.</p>
<p>in addition, watch for the pro hillary factions to attempt a coup at the convention based on  the latest poll results.</p>
<p>dems enjoy a  20 point advantage over repubs.  and  their candidate is either tied or down to McCain&#8230;any dem who  says he is not concerned is lying.</p>
<p>And the polls do not  reflect the 10 point  evaporation that occurs. </p>
<p>McCain wins and it will not even be close,  but dems are going to sweep everything  else out there.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie</title>
		<link>http://politics.ohio.com/2008/08/22/strickland-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-4681</link>
		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Political decision this is, but it is right.  We will see how much he stands up against it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Political decision this is, but it is right.  We will see how much he stands up against it.</p>
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		<title>By: angry conserv</title>
		<link>http://politics.ohio.com/2008/08/22/strickland-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-4679</link>
		<dc:creator>angry conserv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was going to commend Strickland for taking a postion that will be very unpopular among his supporters but after reading Clueless&#039;s post I will have to think about it for  awhile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was going to commend Strickland for taking a postion that will be very unpopular among his supporters but after reading Clueless&#039;s post I will have to think about it for  awhile.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Keeler</title>
		<link>http://politics.ohio.com/2008/08/22/strickland-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-4678</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Keeler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah that is pretty much what I said.  Except that I was surprised that he came out against it, and i should have added &quot;this much before the election&quot;.  Of course, Democrats want it on the ballot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah that is pretty much what I said.  Except that I was surprised that he came out against it, and i should have added &#034;this much before the election&#034;.  Of course, Democrats want it on the ballot.</p>
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		<title>By: Clueless in Cincity</title>
		<link>http://politics.ohio.com/2008/08/22/strickland-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-4677</link>
		<dc:creator>Clueless in Cincity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What surprise Keeler?  

Although he is in the pockets of the unions, there is absolutely no way Strickland COULD be for the sick day amendment and have any credibility that he was working to &quot;turn around Ohio&#039;s&quot; economic plight.

Other than the idiots at the Beacon editorial board, the Plain Dealer has already opined along with the Dispatch and every other  respectable editorial board that this issue is a total jobs killer.  The last thing this horrendous state economy needs!

That being said, Strickland absolutely wants it on the ballot to help puil out the Democrat vote.  

The last thing Strickland wanted was a compromise, he wants it on the ballot to help Democrats, and he can mildly campaign against it to save face with the RESPECTABLE editorial boards.

This is a clear win for Strickland and the Democrats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What surprise Keeler?  </p>
<p>Although he is in the pockets of the unions, there is absolutely no way Strickland COULD be for the sick day amendment and have any credibility that he was working to &#034;turn around Ohio&#039;s&#034; economic plight.</p>
<p>Other than the idiots at the Beacon editorial board, the Plain Dealer has already opined along with the Dispatch and every other  respectable editorial board that this issue is a total jobs killer.  The last thing this horrendous state economy needs!</p>
<p>That being said, Strickland absolutely wants it on the ballot to help puil out the Democrat vote.  </p>
<p>The last thing Strickland wanted was a compromise, he wants it on the ballot to help Democrats, and he can mildly campaign against it to save face with the RESPECTABLE editorial boards.</p>
<p>This is a clear win for Strickland and the Democrats.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheryl Isaacs</title>
		<link>http://politics.ohio.com/2008/08/22/strickland-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-4676</link>
		<dc:creator>Cheryl Isaacs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 17:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is this good? Everywhere else I have worked had at least 7 sick days. I don&#039;t understand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is this good? Everywhere else I have worked had at least 7 sick days. I don&#039;t understand.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Keeler</title>
		<link>http://politics.ohio.com/2008/08/22/strickland-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-4673</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Keeler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 17:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know exactly why Strickland came to the conclusion he did, but I am happy he did what he did.

Now the voters must be convinced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#039;t know exactly why Strickland came to the conclusion he did, but I am happy he did what he did.</p>
<p>Now the voters must be convinced.</p>
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		<title>By: largebill</title>
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		<dc:creator>largebill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Concur this is a good decision by Strickland and a sign that he will listen to sound arguments about how government BS can hurt business.  This is particularly surprising because there was nothing in his legislative record to indicate he was anything but a knee jerk liberal on every issue.  Good for him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Concur this is a good decision by Strickland and a sign that he will listen to sound arguments about how government BS can hurt business.  This is particularly surprising because there was nothing in his legislative record to indicate he was anything but a knee jerk liberal on every issue.  Good for him.</p>
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		<title>By: mike d</title>
		<link>http://politics.ohio.com/2008/08/22/strickland-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-4667</link>
		<dc:creator>mike d</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good move by strickland. all requiring sick days typically does is drive down the number of paid vacation days an individual earns - i.e., if a person earned 15 vacation days a year before, he or she would likely now earn only 10 and have available 7 sick days. the net impact is a substantial decrease in vacation for the employee (since most won&#039;t take all of his/her sicks days, let alone try and use them as vacation) and an increase in expense for employers who would be required to accrue expense reserves for the vacation and sick leave</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good move by strickland. all requiring sick days typically does is drive down the number of paid vacation days an individual earns &#8211; i.e., if a person earned 15 vacation days a year before, he or she would likely now earn only 10 and have available 7 sick days. the net impact is a substantial decrease in vacation for the employee (since most won&#039;t take all of his/her sicks days, let alone try and use them as vacation) and an increase in expense for employers who would be required to accrue expense reserves for the vacation and sick leave</p>
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