Comments on: Prosecute the Crossovers?

By: fred

fred — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:44:57 +0000

A simple solution to this game that both sides play is that a person can change parties but must wait for 6 months after changing affilitation before voting in the primary. End of problem.
NOW ON TO THE REAL ISSUE—-Why in the hell should the public be forced to pay for the parties primaries. Let the parties pay for their own dog and pony show. We have better things to do with our tax dollars.

By: Ben Keeler

Ben Keeler — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:39:39 +0000

Thanks Tom…I have come to count on you for insightful comments.

By: tom billmeyer

tom billmeyer — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:40:05 +0000

Republicans like Ben should be the ones going to jail for their support of people like Bush, Cheney, Taft, Blackwell, etc.

By: King

King — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:30:22 +0000

Large Bill–

I do not believe it is accurate to use the word "conscience" & "Democrat" in the same sentence.

You can't be one, if you have the other.

By: BizzyBlog » Prosecuting the Crossovers Update: Keeler Keenly Eyes a Calamity

Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:20:58 +0000

[...] that — It turns out that crossing over works in both directions (HT Ben Keeler at The Point): About 17,100 Republicans and 3,000 Democrats in Cuyahoga County (CC) switched parties in the [...]

By: Ben Keeler

Ben Keeler — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:15:12 +0000

I agree with what Large Bill said….there is no way I could ever vote for Clinton or Obama. I could never let myself do it.

By: The Reverend

The Reverend — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:51:32 +0000

In Texas, the Limbaugh cult members, in a conspiratorial election fraud caper, helped hand Hillary a very close primary election. Obama actually won the delegate competition. Some 100,000 strong Limbaugh Marauders made the difference in the popular vote count.

What to do? In a country where lawlessness by the powerful is so rampant and easily accepted as just the way it is…..there's really nothing that can be done.

The Democrats, after this cycle, should tighten their rules….but that won't make any difference, not really….not while lawlessness is part of the GOP platform.

The GOP needs to be dismantled, the criminal portion discarded, and a new party formed. Snowballs, hell….

By: Kyle Kutuchief

Kyle Kutuchief — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:08:58 +0000

Chuck, there have been two people who have called into Rush Limbaugh's show who say they are Republicans who have been elected delegates for Hillary in Texas. Their states intent is to game the convention to try and make Hillary the nominee.

By: largebill

largebill — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:03:30 +0000

The crossover voters are sufficiently punished by having to carry on their conscience that they voted for Sen. Clinton.

By: J. Rowsey

J. Rowsey — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:00:03 +0000

My thought is this….get over it! Its in the past. It did not influence the outcome of the election. And if you believe it did, I'd like to see the evidence.

If you don't like the way Ohio handles its primary, lobby the legislative brench to change it.

Finally, as democrats, we have bigger things to worry about than prosecuting Rush Limbaugh.

By: Chuck

Chuck — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:50:56 +0000

It is implausible to go after any of the voters, because it will be impossible to find their real intent.

2 Exceptions:

1) Voters that later go on record about committing the fraud (perhaps on a website, or something). However, hunting thru all that seems a waste of time. But if a clear case is presented where someone brags on their website about the fraud, prosecute them. Its a crime.

2) Rush Limbaugh himself could and should easily be prosecuted for his solicitation to commit voter fraud (assuming the jurisdictional issues could be overcome, which i don't know enough about). Limbaugh openly encouraged voter fraud, on a wide-scale.

And while all this may seem stupid, it is what it is: IT IS VOTER FRAUD.
It may have happened in other places (Dems in MI), but that is no excuse.

So I would prosecute under those exceptions. Then if the entire pledging/declaration process is struck down, then so be it.

By: CA Libertarian

CA Libertarian — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:49:53 +0000

Why would you want to make all primaries close? I don't get it – how does segmenting the population and restricting voters from supporting a potential candidate of their choice embody the principles of the electoral process? The primaries should be completely open. And, the thought of prosecuting crossover voters should be thrown out the window. Maybe Marc Dann could come out and say it would be a waste of taxpayers' money, since he needs to ensure he has some left over for his state paid gas, driver, and flame painted SUV.

Kyle – your support of Brunner is nearly as disgusting as Ben's support of Blackwell was. You shoul dbe embarrassed to have your name attached to any statement supporting her.

By: Zach

Zach — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:19:25 +0000

The whole primary system leads to problems like these arising. Each primary/caucus in each state has a different set of rules and a different set of voting guidelines. Streamline the process with each state having closed primaries for each party. Do away with the time consuming caucuses, and do away with open primaries and rules that allow people to switch parties on a whim.

By: Kyle Kutuchief

Kyle Kutuchief — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 13:56:07 +0000

Once again, Secretary of State Brunner makes the right call. Please stand at your computer and giver her a well deserved round of applause.

By: King

King — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:33:38 +0000

Ben -

I remarked about this when the Democrats on the Cuyahoga County "Bored" of Elections first thought about becoming the new "Thought Police."

Furher Brunnehilda has accomplished the first task of getting Hillary elected – she stole the Ohio primary for her. This is why she will refuse to address any cross over votes.

When they say she fixed the election process in Cuyahoga County – they're correct! She did "FIX" the election, but not in a way to restore integrity. Many long time poll workers have expressed that this recent election was the worse they ever witnessed. Top to bottom in every aspect.

People (some) of both parties were responsible for this though. The Democrats for being blind to not see how Brunner's actions directly influenced their primary for the benefit of Brunnehilda.

GOP chair Blob Bennett and his quest/struggle to keep his seat on the Cuy. Co. "Bored" of Elections is the event that started the ball rolling in enabling Furher Brunnehilda and her goose-stepping, Nazi-like tactics.

Now the dems cry foul because O'Dumbo lost the Ohio primary and the GOP cries she is out of control and it is their ego-bloated chairman that empowered her.

And I thought the Republicans were supposed to be the "Thought Police."

By: DHM

DHM — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 06:02:52 +0000

Agreed. It'd be a waste of time and energy to continue on with the investigation. Fix the problem for future primaries so that it can't happen again and move on.